Cameras/cctv

fanboy27 · 22 Sep 2015, 12:25 pm

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/0 ... in-vandals

Any thoughts on this / general cameras/cctv chat?

Personally, as soon as I see a red light, I assume a place is a no go zone (obviously with some exceptions). I'm not for one having any conversations I don't need to.

2Biased · 22 Sep 2015, 2:11 pm

fanboy27 wrote:http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/0 ... in-vandals

Any thoughts on this / general cameras/cctv chat?

Personally, as soon as I see a red light, I assume a place is a no go zone (obviously with some exceptions). I'm not for one having any conversations I don't need to.

Just scare tactics as far as I'm aware. What a lot of people don't realise is, yes, they have new cameras that probably can catch us, but in order to catch us, they will need to have someone watching that camera 24/7 and if they don't have that, they have to spend even more time and resources to go back to the saved footage.

I agree with your view of 'red lights' so to speak. If you do get caught, you weren't doing anything illegal but trespassing, remember that your camera and your photos are alibi's (in terms of showing them what you were doing, as opposed to vandalism etc.)

Echo · 22 Sep 2015, 2:25 pm

Mmmm I don't know too much about cameras. I'm really not the kind of person that likes to explore places or do things that have a high risk of been caught. Of course I always run on the assumption that I just wont be caught no matter what and if I am I just hope I can talk my way out of it (I've talked my way out of it once by saying I was just taking photos and showing my photos but I don't think that would work on a live site). I did do one very stupid little explore before I really got into urbex properly. This was before I did any drains or signed up for this forums etc. I went into the Melbourne City Loop Tunnels and only sheer dumb luck is the reason I was not caught because I had no clue about security, cameras, motion sensors etc etc. I remember seeing the cameras on the portal but because I hadn't really been looking for them I didn't notice their presence until well after they'd seen me. I'm sure they got my face, I don't know what the quality is like on those cameras but I wasn't exactly making an effort to hide my face. Sheer dumb luck is all I had with me that night. I am now a tad more well informed as to the security measures they have around there and would definitely not hazard a trip back. I really like not having a criminal record of any kind.

fanboy27 · 22 Sep 2015, 3:06 pm

Just scare tactics as far as I'm aware. What a lot of people don't realise is, yes, they have new cameras that probably can catch us, but in order to catch us, they will need to have someone watching that camera 24/7 and if they don't have that, they have to spend even more time and resources to go back to the saved footage.

I agree with your view of 'red lights' so to speak. If you do get caught, you weren't doing anything illegal but trespassing, remember that your camera and your photos are alibi's (in terms of showing them what you were doing, as opposed to vandalism etc.)[/quote]

I've done a bit of cabling work so I know a little bit about basic CCTV, and as far as I'm aware you can quite simply get motion activated CCTV to iphone / company / security, so when there's movement you can get a notification on your phone and have a little look-see. But tbh, most places don't have this, but it's always in the back of my mind.

Light Knight · 24 Sep 2015, 9:12 am

Most newly installed digital CCTV systems have the capability of motion sensing, and if they use IR they can image in almost zero visible light. If the motion sensor is triggered it can alert an operator and they can flick back to video at the point of activation with a mouse click. Also, the better cameras such as Sony IPELA can record in Full HD at 30 or 60fps, optical zoom up to x30, and turn 360 degress in half a second. Be afraid!

Explorer_J · 30 Sep 2015, 2:30 pm

Hahahaha speaking of red lights when I was in fortress today I actually thought there was a camera because I saw a red light but it just turned out to be a reflector

theedge · 07 Oct 2015, 9:09 pm

Well here's one I found on a fairly recent trip.

phytrix · 07 Oct 2015, 9:22 pm

2Biased wrote: Just scare tactics as far as I'm aware. What a lot of people don't realise is, yes, they have new cameras that probably can catch us, but in order to catch us, they will need to have someone watching that camera 24/7 and if they don't have that, they have to spend even more time and resources to go back to the saved footage.

I agree with your view of 'red lights' so to speak. If you do get caught, you weren't doing anything illegal but trespassing, remember that your camera and your photos are alibi's (in terms of showing them what you were doing, as opposed to vandalism etc.)

Not scare tactics, I know of multiple people who have been busted off cameras, myself included. Hell, I've even heard of people being caught at a later date by them getting their faces matched somehow, although they usually wouldn't go to this kind of extremity unless you did some serious vandalism.

A lot of places with cameras also have motion detectors or other sorts of alarms, and once they are set off, they go back and check the footage. Within 5 minutes, you have cops or security at the site.

Also, trespassing is illegal and, in my experience and from those around me, you will get busted even if you say you're a photographer. It's not a proper excuse in the name of the law; maybe to security, but not to police. Best to dispose of your photos so they can't charge you with anything else (heard of people receiving additional charges, i.e. trespassing charges for another site photographed on the same SD card, high risk activity charges based off photos), and if you're lucky, they might not have enough evidence to accuse you of trespassing either.

It also should be mentioned that, in the name of the law, what you consider trespassing is more than likely break and entering in most cases. Opening an unlocked door is break and entering, for example.

phytrix · 07 Oct 2015, 9:24 pm

Explorer_J wrote:Hahahaha speaking of red lights when I was in fortress today I actually thought there was a camera because I saw a red light but it just turned out to be a reflector

I've noticed drain bandit puts a lot of those up. It's cool, but it also gives me false hope