Thanks for the feedback mate, it's much appreciated. I certainly do appreciate what you guys are trying to do over here on UEGA - I can only imagine how difficult a task it would be to try admin a forum where the members aren't part of one collective group. I can imagine there would be a lot of differing opinions which would make reaching a common view a tad difficult. I can imagine that it would be even more difficult to try and ensure that everyone follows to some degree a set of ethics/guidelines when again they aren't defined or bound by a single and particular "group of members" such as is the C/C. But it does seem that you guys are up to the challenge and if you are indeed receptive to advice/suggestions from an established exploring group such as the C/C then I believe that it can only serve to benefit you guys positively over here and I know that we certainly do enjoy helping out fellow explorers with our experience whenever we can if they are open to suggestions.Nuggs wrote:Thanks Audacia,
I read it all and will probably read again! I do mostly agree with the sentiment, and certainly do not want to see locations spoiled for the rest of us. Though UEGA is what it is, we are always happy to take suggestions on board and make positive changes.
Let me stress; the 'report' function should be used to highlight when a post may reveal a sensitive location etc. Any member can report a post, and explain to our mods why it should be removed from the public forum. Our mods (myself included) are not always aware of the particular sensitivities of a set of pics, or description of a site.
So instead of members replying to a post, commenting on the its revealing nature, or lengthy debates on this subject; a 'report' with a short explanation would be more useful, and actioned promptly.
Now, going to read your post again!
Thanks for you input mate
It certainly is a lot of stuff to try and wrap your head around. It's taken us years to get to the point that we are at now and I can only presume that next year we will be attempting to deal with an entirely different issue! Anyway as I've said before my main intention of my original post was to properly and thoroughly explain the reasons behind our policy and that it is the direct product of real world consequences, not merely something that we assume might happen. Although Spoz and Draper did a good job of informing and addressing such issues and counter-policies to everyone in the first place, I did get the impression (as did they) that some people (including yourself) just didn't properly understand the true catalyst and justification behind such policies and instead presumed that we were just doing it so be secretive, elitist or what have you. So I hope that I have achieved this to some extent at least.
Would it be safe to presume that you now have a better understanding of why we have implemented the aforementioned policies?
Also, kudos on mentioning the 'report' function - I was not aware of that.
Good stuff mate, that's pretty much how the vast majority of the photographers in the clan operate.theedge wrote:Audacia-N: I also take photos but do it for documentary purposes only and definitely only share a location or pic after meeting someone in person once I think they are decent enough. So I pretty much get the point.
Good to hear that you've properly understood where our motivations/intentions come from and that you're philosophy seems to be quite in line with ours.benderz wrote:Interesting read Audacia-N.
I think you have hit the nail on the head when speaking about the difference between people in the CC and people who are not.
I have been going back and forth for around 2yrs now trying to meet up with the CC for the exact reason you noted. To meet up with people to explore and share new locations.
However, I rely on publicly posted locations to explore or finding irregular stuff I see in newspapers or drive past. I would much prefer to find places before they are posted publicly and destroyed, but it seems the decision is not in my hands.
As I highlighted in my original post, the important thing to remember about the C/C is that we have been around for a while now. We've been through a ton of drama from both forces inside and outside the group and at the end of the day we've had plenty of time to make mistakes - but most importantly we've learned how to best deal with these mistakes and the ever changing social issues that the world of recreational trespassing throws at us - the product of which is the Code of Ethics, of which is constantly being updated.
Have you contacted your local branch of the Cave Clan? If not then you can do so here: http://caveclan.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=9158
