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Intrigued with the history of urbex, in particular groups that have formed around our common interest.

I've found references over the years to...
Cave Clan
Sydclan
Sydney Cave Clan
Natclan
Tunnel Rats
The Red Hands
and another that escapes me yet was based in "The Shire".

Which are still active ?
What are their histories ?
Member numbers/requirements ?
Is there a social hierarchy amongst groups ?
Be great if members/ex members were candid with info, particularly if it's able to be confirmed via an article :)
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And yes, I do appreciate how sus this can come across as, yet it is a genuine curiosity, nothing sus :)
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Good question!
Our friendly Clan members on here may be able to shed more light than myself!
As far as I know:

-Cave Clan
Victorian based urbex group.
Still active.
Have been difficult to contact re: new membership, but seem to be getting better.
Good wiki article for more info.

-Sydclan
-Sydney Cave Clan
(Sydney branch of the Cave Clan)

-Tunnel Rats
(Urbex group. No recent news. Also often refers to the the men who served in the Engineer Field Troops in Vietnam.)

-The Red Hands
(Sydney based urbex group. Unsure if active. No recent news)

-Bunker Boys
(Could be the other group you were thinking of)


These groups could be considered covert - to the point where new explorers will be convinced they don't exist anymore (the reason UEGA began).
They operate on an invite-only basis.
A hierarchical system is preserved in most cases.
acually is nuggs
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Cave Clan has branches in most states, and the terms Sydclan, Natclan (the national CC forum), and Melbclan etc are just nicknames to denote the different branches within the group.
In effect though were just one big clan. Were like one big family, yeah we might b1tch and fight amongst ourselves sometimes, but we all (most?) love each other.

Tunnel Rats was a group started in 2004 by Val and Freak, they had about 6 other members which included 2 girls! I met Aeon Floss at one of their bunker expos, and when I introduced him to CC he joined us. Which was just as well because TR lost interest and faded away not long after the 2005 Cronulla riots (for reasons I wont go into here). I still keep in touch with Val and Freak although they do not explore any more.

Red Hands was a urbex group created in 1998 by Belfore. The group consisted of 10 members, including myself (I joined 1999), but I was known as RC1 back then. (lol)
RH attended a few CC expos during the late 90s/early 2000s, and were eventually absorbed by CC in a corporate merger during the Dotcom boom in 2001. In other words one other guy and myself joined CC while the rest lost interest. :)

Bunker Boys were started by Howie in the early to mid 1990s. As their name suggests, they just explored bunkers, drains and abandoned buildings didn't interest them. BB introduced CC to some very good bunkers, and we co-operated and explored together on many occasions. BB went quiet for a while, then came back in the mid 2000s, but then Howie moved to New Zealand and they have gone quiet again.
Incidentally, I first made contact with CC in 2000 by chatting with Trioxide on the old BB guestbook, where quite a few urban explorers used to keep in touch in the days before urbex forums and FB. You can still find archived mirrors of the old BB website on Google.

There was also a group of young guys (17yo-19yo) called the Urbex Crew (lolz) that lived and explored in 'The Shire' (Sutherland Shire) area in 2008-2009 who are no longer active. I am not sure if they are who you are referring to, but I suspect it is them.

There was also the Tunnel Tribe who were a group of teenagers from the Central Coast who explored in 1999-2000. One of their members (Lb) joined CC and is still active, the rest lost interest.

Hope this clears some of the confusion.
Blakjak of the Sydney branch of the Cave Clan.
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It does and is interesting to read some of the history of exploration in Sydney/NSW.

Why did you change your name Blackjack?
You're an active Cave Clan member and a defector from Red Hands and also active here?
That leads to my next question, is UEGA just a front for the Cave Clan or entirely separate?

Would it be worth constructing a Wiki/Sticky for the history of Urbex in NSW?

Would an option to enable members here display some form of logo/badge to demonstrate membership of other groups be worth the effort ?
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zebulon wrote:It does and is interesting to read some of the history of exploration in Sydney/NSW.

Why did you change your name Blackjack?
You're an active Cave Clan member and a defector from Red Hands and also active here?
That leads to my next question, is UEGA just a front for the Cave Clan or entirely separate?

Would it be worth constructing a Wiki/Sticky for the history of Urbex in NSW?

Would an option to enable members here display some form of logo/badge to demonstrate membership of other groups be worth the effort ?
People change their names all the time for all sorts of different reasons. Me myself personally I changed mine because RC1 (Arsey One) was given to me by somebody else and I didn't really like it. And my name is Blakjak, not Blackjack, I'm not a friggen card game, please get it right. :)
And no, I was looking to join CC since around 1997 when I first came across their website on a wall during an official St James tour by the ARHS. In the time it took me to join CC (which was harder then than it is now if you can believe that) I joined and explored RH. I hope this explains it for you.
And this has been answered before in another thread, but UEGA is like an online coffee lounge where urban explorers from all walks of life and different groups can discuss our hobby, sort of like an Aussie UER. It was started by Titan who is NOT and never has been a CC member. There a few CC members here, but that's nothing unusual as there are CC members in most urbex forums. Nobody has any problems with that, we co-exist in harmony.
As for an urbex Wiki, there's already plenty of those, it's just that they are not public, and rightly so. And doing something like that would probably ostracize you in the urbex community as most urban explorers prefer privacy, not exposure.
Logos? Well I don't mean to sound arrogant here but in all reality there's really only one organised (disorganised?) urbex group out there and that's the Cave Clan. I don't mean any disrespect to UEGA but this place is more of an online community that is loosely connected via this forum. It serves an important role, but it's not a united group like CC. So in saying that, apart from Scarecrow, Flex (who joined 4 days ago), and myself (see my sig), who are loyal CC members with UEGA accounts, everybody else here is strictly a UEGA member. Titan, the owner and admin of this website, has been given a guest CC account in return. It's called co-operation, in this game it helps to get along with your colleagues.
Blakjak of the Sydney branch of the Cave Clan.
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blakjak wrote:People change their names all the time for all sorts of different reasons. Me myself personally I changed mine because RC1 (Arsey One) was given to me by somebody else and I didn't really like it. And my name is Blakjak, not Blackjack, I'm not a friggen card game, please get it right. :)
And no, I was looking to join CC since around 1997 when I first came across their website on a wall during an official St James tour by the ARHS. In the time it took me to join CC (which was harder then than it is now if you can believe that) I joined and explored RH. I hope this explains it for you.
And this has been answered before in another thread, but UEGA is like an online coffee lounge where urban explorers from all walks of life and different groups can discuss our hobby, sort of like an Aussie UER. It was started by Titan who is NOT and never has been a CC member. There a few CC members here, but that's nothing unusual as there are CC members in most urbex forums. Nobody has any problems with that, we co-exist in harmony.
As for an urbex Wiki, there's already plenty of those, it's just that they are not public, and rightly so. And doing something like that would probably ostracize you in the urbex community as most urban explorers prefer privacy, not exposure.
Logos? Well I don't mean to sound arrogant here but in all reality there's really only one organised (disorganised?) urbex group out there and that's the Cave Clan. I don't mean any disrespect to UEGA but this place is more of an online community that is loosely connected via this forum. It serves an important role, but it's not a united group like CC. So in saying that, apart from Scarecrow, Flex (who joined 4 days ago), and myself (see my sig), who are loyal CC members with UEGA accounts, everybody else here is strictly a UEGA member. Titan, the owner and admin of this website, has been given a guest CC account in return. It's called co-operation, in this game it helps to get along with your colleagues.
Why the non standard spelling of your name Blakjak ?
I'm sure you enjoy being played and are quite the card to boot :P

Do ARHS still do tours?

Ahh, RH(sic) is defunct and you transitioned to Cave Clan?

UEGA is not an active group per se, yet more a meeting point for like minded folks?
Sweet, means we get the best (and worse) of all active groups does it not?

While I appreciate the desire for privacy, it wasn't about exposure of members, yet more a history of collective groups so new members and members that are unaffiliated like myself, are able to better understand the dynamics we're walking into :)
If it is a no-no, I've no interest in it.

Why disorganised ?

True about co-operation though :)

Glad my inquisitiveness is appreciated for what it is and not what I feared people would assume it is.
I'm not police, media or an informant and have actually explored multiple abandonments :)
Yet it feels as if they're drying up as urban development has exhausted the majority of opportunities to quench it's thirst :(
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I'm pretty sure you're more clued into things than you show. But it's good asking questions, that's how we lean things. As for my name, I like simplifying things, and those 2 x C's are just not necessary. :)
And if you need to know anything, just ask, IMHO it's better than posting the info in public. We could even meet up in a tunnel or bunker somewhere and talk there.
Blakjak of the Sydney branch of the Cave Clan.
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blakjak wrote:I'm pretty sure you're more clued into things than you show. But it's good asking questions, that's how we lean things. As for my name, I like simplifying things, and those 2 x C's are just not necessary. :)
And if you need to know anything, just ask, IMHO it's better than posting the info in public. We could even meet up in a tunnel or bunker somewhere and talk there.
Clued up, no.
Have my suspicions from rumours, research and years of experience, yes.

So is good to have a bunch of knowledgeable people that know first hand the answers and able to squash/confirm what I've heard/read :)

Yeah true, as you see, I'm not afraid to ask something I'm curious about and happy to share it openly so others have the same chance as I do to learn.
Is why I asked about a Wiki about active and past groups.

Might hold you to that tunnel/bunker offer one day if genuine :)
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zebulon wrote:Might hold you to that tunnel/bunker offer one day if genuine :)
Any time you want, I'm always up for a random bunker meet-up. lol
You get more info in a 5 min face to face convo than you could get from a week of online forum posts.
Blakjak of the Sydney branch of the Cave Clan.
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There's also the UrbeX Crew - Seen in the Fortress, Swoo, Eternity...and a number of other places

Oops noticed Blakjak mentioned them
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Excellent thread.
A great example of the group dynamics here =)
acually is nuggs
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Nuggs wrote:Excellent thread.
A great example of the group dynamics here =)
It appears as much hey :)
Is interesting to learn more about the history too.

BTW, talking about dynamics, anyone recently gone through and checked out the number of spam accounts in members, in particular those with a website?
Just went to one and it's a seized site by the NFL due to selling fake NFL items :shock:
Another went to a site selling Diablo 3 I think it was.
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I was wondering if anyone was keeping the 'Drainiacs' name alive?
Zebulon, if you see any spam posts/accounts please report them. Makes keeping the forums tidy easier for all involved :)
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Dynamite wrote:I was wondering if anyone was keeping the 'Drainiacs' name alive?
Zebulon, if you see any spam posts/accounts please report them. Makes keeping the forums tidy easier for all involved :)
Have not heard of the Drainiacs before.
More info please.

Also, how do you report a profile when viewing it ?


Edit: a few examples (11 off the first page of 25 when prioritising the search of members by websites)
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Angelinas
andykaiuasb
andykaiztaq
avcjcfbl43
carpinteyroecu
luoxue
hollygtf
dwfncrqxql
qaurgddteq

Most have an address listed under their "Occupation" field.
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You will find spam accounts usually have zero posts. When somebody joins they should introduce themselves (and usually do). Any accounts older than 2 weeks old that haven't posted should be removed or at least restricted.
Blakjak of the Sydney branch of the Cave Clan.
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blakjak wrote:You will find spam accounts usually have zero posts. When somebody joins they should introduce themselves (and usually do). Any accounts older than 2 weeks old that haven't posted should be removed or at least restricted.
True, however one must assume that we have a few 'long time listener, first time caller' accounts on here. Any actively spamming accounts are dealt with pretty quick.
Blakjak, in the interest of this thread, do you have any info on the Drainiacs? I read an article about them a while back, Damned if I can remember where. From what I recall they were active pre cc?
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blakjak wrote:You will find spam accounts usually have zero posts. When somebody joins they should introduce themselves (and usually do). Any accounts older than 2 weeks old that haven't posted should be removed or at least restricted.
I agree that people should be strongly encouraged to introduce themselves before being able to access the site.
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Dynamite wrote:Blakjak, in the interest of this thread, do you have any info on the Drainiacs? I read an article about them a while back, Damned if I can remember where. From what I recall they were active pre cc?
Can't really help ya there mate but I have heard of them in passing. You probably know more about them I do. I can ask around though.

And here's a bit of trivia, CC was originally called, wait for it...The River Jumpers! lol
The name was changed shortly after CC was established in 1986.
Blakjak of the Sydney branch of the Cave Clan.
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These Drainiacs? If so, not sydney.

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a time limit to post before being restricted or what else is a good idea cause i know when i joined i was a little hesitant to post as i hadnt been anywhere yet had no pics or tales to tell and didnt want it to seem like i was just after locations. i used the aus template researched as much as i could about the location and when exhausted all avenues asked for help.
its only ilegal if you get caught
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ThatLb wrote:These Drainiacs? If so, not sydney.

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That would be them! I've never seen any of their tags here in bris but your pic does suggest they were pretty old school - could have faded away or maybe they just didn't travel up here.
One thing's for sure - they had a cool name :)
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This is what's in the Cave Clan archives about the Drainiacs:
Drainiacs:
Only explored one or two drains in Northcote, NGC and maybe Northcote High? They were around in the 70's, and would be unknown to this day if it weren't for their use of housepaint.
There were a dozen and more groups like these in Melbourne in the 80's and 90's, mostly consisting of a small group of friends. A lot of them found each other by messages written in drains (the main one being Northcote Golf Darkie) and meeting up, and eventually all (or most) becoming Cave Clan, with many of those members still around in Melbourne today.
Scarecrow of the Sydney branch of the Cave Clan.
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